bill clinton tried the approach that i'm talking about. we create ed 23 million new job we went from deficit to surplus, and businesses did very well. so in some ways, we've got some data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunity for americans, and i believe that the economy works best when middle class families are getting tax breaks, so that they've got some money in their pockets. and those of us who have done extraordinarily well because of this magnificent country that we live in, that we can afford to do a little bit more to make sure we're not blowing up the deficit. >> jim, the president began this segment, so i think i get the last word. >> well, you're going to get the first word in the next segment. >> but he gets the first word of that segment, i get the last word of this segment. >> he can have it. >> that's not how it works. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. that's point one